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Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts
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Posted by Andrew on Wednesday, March 23 @ 02:05:00 EST
Contributed by enygma |
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Some Asian Americans Say Colleges Expect More From Them
By Jay Mathews
© 2005 Washington Post
March 22, 2005
Robert Shaw, an educational consultant based in Garden City, N.Y., was working with a very bright Chinese American student who feared the Ivy League would not notice her at New Jersey's Holmdel High, where 22 percent of the students were Asian American, and she was only in the top 20 percent of her high-scoring class.
So, Shaw said, she and her parents took his daring advice to change their address. They moved 10 miles north to Keyport, N.J., where the average SAT score was 300 points lower and there were almost no Asians. She also entered, at his suggestion, the Miss Teen New Jersey contest, not a typical activity for the budding scholar.
It worked, Shaw said. His client became class valedictorian, won the talent portion of the Miss Teen competition playing piano and got into Yale and MIT.
"As admissions strategists, our experience is that Asian Americans must meet higher objective standards, such as SAT scores and GPAs, and higher subjective standards than the rest of the applicant pool," he said. "Our students need to do a lot more in order to stand out."
Asian American students have higher average SAT scores than any other government-monitored ethnic group, and selective colleges routinely reject them in favor of African American, Hispanic and even white applicants with lower scores in order to have more diverse campuses and make up for past discrimination.
Many Asian Americans and some educators wonder: Is that fair? Why shouldn't young people of Asian descent have more of an advantage in the selective college admissions system for being violin-playing, science-fair winning, high-scoring achievers?
"Chinese and all Asian Americans are penalized for their values on academic excellence by being required to have a higher level of achievement, academic and non-academic, than any other demographic group," said Ed Chin, a New Jersey physician who has campaigned for years for a change in college admissions procedures.
Yet, Chin notes, Harvard humanities professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. recently estimated that two-thirds of blacks at Harvard are not descendants of American slaves but the middle-class children of relatively recent immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa. "Why should they deserve admission with lowered standards -- relatively speaking -- based solely on the color of their skin over a high-achieving Asian American living in a Chinatown ghetto or a black ghetto, or a poor white from the slums of New York City?" Chin asked.
At some selective colleges, the percentage of Asians on the admittance list is reportedly significantly lower than the percentage of Asians who applied. But colleges usually do not release the ethnic breakdown of their applicants, so there has been little research on the matter.
Stanford University and Brown University, however, studied their admissions data in the late 1980s and found enough evidence of cultural bias and stereotypes to alter procedures.
"Since then, the Stanford staff has been very careful to guard against all kinds of bias in the selection process," said Robin Mamlet, Stanford's dean of admissions. For several years, admissions staff members were trained annually on such issues as shyness to be sure as little bias as possible affected the decision process, she said.
About 25 percent of Stanford undergraduates are of Asian descent, higher than most other such similarly selective colleges as Georgetown, 10 percent; Princeton, 12 percent; Yale, 13 percent; and Columbia, 14 percent. But Mamlet said she cannot be sure if Stanford's higher percentage is a result of different admissions procedures or its location in Northern California, with a large population of high-performing Asian Americans. More than 40 percent of undergraduates at the University of California at Berkeley, for instance, are of Asian descent.
Harvard admissions director Marlyn McGrath Lewis said: "We have no evidence that our admissions committee disadvantages Asian American applicants." Seventeen percent of its undergraduates are of Asian descent, and the university was cleared in 1990 of alleged racial discrimination against Asians. The U.S. Education Department's Office for Civil Rights said whites were admitted at a higher rate but because they included more recruited athletes and children of alumni.
Scholars say Asian cultures tend to emphasize education and say they are not surprised that Asian Americans, who make up 4 percent of the U.S. population, are found in much higher concentrations in selective colleges. In their 1996 book "Beyond the Classroom," Laurence Steinberg, B. Bradford Brown and Sanford M. Dornbusch said that "of all the demographic factors we studied in relation to school performance, ethnicity was the most important. . . . In terms of school achievement, it is more advantageous to be Asian than to be wealthy, to have non-divorced parents, or to have a mother who is able to stay at home full time."
Many Americans, including some of Asian descent, have grown accustomed to seemingly irrational and unfair admissions decisions by selective colleges and shrug off the Asian numbers as something that can't be helped.
But Arun Mantri, born in India with children at Fairfax County's Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, said he thinks the system should change. Asian American applicants' chances "would improve dramatically if race was not used as a factor in admissions, perhaps at the cost of the white applicants, something that only a few selective schools have dared to do," he said.
Victoria Hsiao, who works with Shaw at the admissions strategy firm Ivy Success, said that when she attended Stuyvesant High School in New York, "my Asian friends and I all tried to make ourselves stand out, as we did not want to be stereotyped as Asians with good grades, playing the piano and doing scientific research." She joined the debate team instead of the math team and got into Cornell.
Shaw said about 40 percent of his clients are Asian, but he tells all that they need to learn about great but lesser-known colleges. "Students can get a quality education at hundreds of colleges throughout the country," he said, "so parents should definitely expand their horizons to other target competitive institutions beyond the Ivy League."
That is not enough for Chin, who compares the limits on Asian admissions to the quotas that Ivy League colleges used to place on Jewish admissions. "There obviously needs to be a change to level the playing field," Chin said. Some estimates put the enrollment of Jews at Harvard as high as 30 percent, he said, "and admissions for them is indeed race and ethnic-group blind." |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by Nysa on Thursday, March 24 @ 11:33:02 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | Ok, so I knew I would get heat from some members on this matter.
I would like to stress that the student by no means is settling for less by opting for a non-Ivy League education. Preoccupation with the need to have an Ivy League degree, I think, is in a large attempt of this racist scoiety to maintain the status quo of white power. The Ivy-Leagues were never established with minorities and women in mind. We need to stop pretending to ourselves that an Ivy-League degree is all what matters in life.
I am a person who truly counts my blessing. Many people do not fully appreciate the degree in which they have a college education in the first place. Besides, there are those with Ivy-League degrees who forfeit hard work because they assume that their degree's name will get them in high places. In the end, I think it backfires on them.
Life is not fair. As minorities we have to work three times as hard to get where we are(particularly in this age of fierce competition) and double that amount of work just to be recognized. We need to ask ourselves why we want a real good college education and why we need to have an Ivy-League degree. I think there is a painful and undesirable price one pays for this "American dream." I know many individuals who have an Ivy-League education, college-educated parents, a lofty home in the suburbs, basically everything. But they cut themselves, over-eat to fillfull a void only to throw up again, and get recklessly drunk on the weekends. At any rate, I digress. As I mentioned earlier, education is what you make out of it. |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by ric on Wednesday, March 23 @ 19:26:33 EST (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.xanga.com/ric2 | "There obviously needs to be a change to level the playing field," Chin said. Some estimates put the enrollment of Jews at Harvard as high as 30 percent, he said, "and admissions for them is indeed race and ethnic-group blind."
The jews huh?
figures.... |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by enygma on Thursday, March 24 @ 09:42:09 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | I think it's very unfair for schools to expect more from one race than from another. Unlike what some other commentors have mentioned, this isn't a problem with "white privilege".
Rather, this article points out that too many schools assume that all Asians will be the "model minority", i.e. is an academic standout. Therefore, Asians who apply are just one of a crowd, whereas any other applicant of a different racial background is considered exceptional for doing well academically. This sort of thinking is dangerous since it's stereotyping all Asians and then forcing them to go to extra lengths just so they would be considered for the school of their choice.
It's kind of ironic, you'd think that being considered intelligent would be a good thing, but for cases like these, it can only be detrimental. |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by mahod on Wednesday, March 23 @ 05:10:07 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | Like all things here in America, Asian Americans have to be better than their European American counterparts to get the same benefits. It is called "white privilege". European Americans in general have no idea how many advantages they get just because of their race. Then they get bitter when affirmative action tips things a little back in the other direction, and complain about "reverse discrimination". Give me a break.
My stepdad is white and I have seen with my own eyes him and his white buddies complain bitterly about polical correctness and multi-culturalism. They can't take anything that threatens the social dominance of white men. Pathetic.
So my fellow Asian Americans, realize that you have to work harder, smarter and better than everyone else just to get ahead. But harsh conditions create strong people. For generations, the Mongolians scraped a living out of the unforgiving siberian plains. The challenges of their environment hardened them and forced them to work together. When Genghis Khan unified them in the thirteenth century, they forged a war machine that conquered the entire known world, including most of Europe, China, Persia and India. If us Asian Americans can organize ourselves, nothing can stop us either. |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by Marky on Wednesday, March 23 @ 11:42:02 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | | I guess my question is: Why do so many Asian Americans support affirmative action? I keep hearing that they support it because they like the "greater diversity" when they go to college, but greater diversity doesn't mean anything if racist practices keep you out. |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by Nysa on Wednesday, March 23 @ 13:57:48 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | I find the Chinese student manipulating the system to her advantage very distrubing. The Chinese student is by no means poor or educationally disenfranchised. She has the wherewithal for expensive beauty pageants, violin lessons, and an educational consultant.
Clearly, the student and her family is completely aware of what her alternatives are; and there are no limits on the complexity of computations they have to perform to determine which alternatives are best. On the other hand, someone who is truly poor and lack the educational resources may not have the choices this Chinese student has.
A similar Washington Post article on this issue was posted a while back, in which some modelminority.com members derided my opinions on this matter. At any rate, the article's author cites a good point that some Asians need to learn about great but lesser-known colleges. Not too long ago, I worked with a minority woman who attended a selective, well-known university, however, she lacked professionalism and grammatical flubs abound in her writing. Now, is the name of her degree more important and respected than her work skills? Education is what you make out of it. |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by DFH on Wednesday, March 23 @ 02:57:57 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | It is common knowledge that during the admissions process, it is not unusual to wait list Asian students applicants at the best N.E. liberal arts colleges if they do not apply ED. Although yield is no longer a factor in the U.S. News and World Report's College Rankings, most of these colleges still view it as a factor.
Asian students are under-represented--below 10%--at all of these colleges except for Amherst, Swarthmore, Tufts, and for obvious reasons, the Seven Sisters colleges.
Believe it or not, these colleges' "minority" recruiting admission counselor or their diversity director will actually admit this to be a true fact. |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by enygma on Thursday, March 24 @ 19:22:11 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | | Out of curiosity, has anyone actually jumped through extra hoops just so s/he would be considered for his/her school of choice? If so, what did you do to make yourself stand out from among the crowd? |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by parasiatic (EastAssassin@usa.com) on Saturday, March 26 @ 19:22:32 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | | I think the Ivy League is over-rated anyway. I had some profs who got their Ph.D.'s from the Ivy League unis and I wasn't too impressed by their purported expertises in their fields. And some of them downright sucked in their teaching abilities - after supposedly "teaching" for decades. |
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Re: Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts (Score: 1) by Illmatic on Sunday, March 27 @ 00:07:45 EST (User Info | Send a Message) | LOL. I wonder how long it is going to take until white folks start lobbying against Affirmative Action because it is "unfair" to Asian Americans. I always knew they had your best interests at heart.
Anyway. I am not willing to concede the point that Asian "Culture" values education more or less than any other culture. LOL. The author doesn't exactly take a fair and balanced look at these issues . . . |
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